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EXCLUSIVE: Tests find sickened family has 50.3 ppm of Corexit's 2-butoxyethanol in swimming pool — JUST ONE HOUR NORTH OF TAMPA (lab report included)

Seeded on Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT
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"Our heads are still swimming," stated Barbara Schebler of Homosassa, Florida, who received word last Friday that test results on the water from her family's swimming pool showed 50.3 ppm of 2-butoxyethanol, a marker for the dispersant Corexit 9527A used to break up and sink BP's oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

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nyghtshayde

Suspicious that the pool may be a problem, the family set out to get the water tested. “We have a 15 year old and felt we owed it to him to live in a clean, healthy environment,” said Mrs. Schebler.

The Scheblers found Robert Naman, a Mobile, Alabama chemist who’s performed multiple tests (1, 2, 3) for WKRG Channel 5, also out of Mobile.

“Warren collected a water sample from the pool filter on August 17th… packed the sample according to Mr. Naman’s instructions, and overnighted it to his Mobile, Ala. lab that same day,” she noted.

The results were delivered by Naman over the phone on August 27 at 11:00 a.m. EDT. A copy of the findings were then e-mailed to the Scheblers. To view the document, click here.

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
nyghtshayde

But the trauma is not only physical. Here are the words of the Scheblers as they try to better understand the situation:

“We spoke to a number of mothers and fathers last evening [August 27]. Most have not even heard of Corexit. … But for the most part, parents with small children were concerned.”

“Some of the neighbors we spoke to were more worried about home values than pollution.”

“We are hoping for someone to come and do more samplings, we were told we shouldn’t eat anything from outside as it probably will all be tainted. It seems that we are the first to check on this, we’re sure all our neighbors on this coast will have the same outcome.”

“We are lost. We would like more testing. We’ve reached out to a few people we thought could tell us where we go from here, but haven’t as of yet received any direction. We are not completely able to grasp what this means.”

“We feel it is a horrible environment to live in and frankly, would like to leave the area. We believe that if this substance is in our pool, it could very well be in the air, especially because of the rashes we continue to apply medication to. We’re not sure if this will enter the groundwater, or even already has. We feel other people need to know that if it’s in our backyard, it is most definitely in other backyards.”

“Where we go from here, we do not know.”

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:40 AM EDT
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euterpe-1641499

And still those in charge claim that the dispersant is perfectly safe! It just amazes me. BP created this vicious cycle when they failed to properly implement their own safety standards. Then the lying started as they tried to use more pollutants to make their mistake go away. And I believe that our government was complicit with BP's actions. They have no intention of dealing with environmental polluters seriously. What a shame. Thanks for the seed, nyghtshade!

  • 7 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:14 PM EDT
BK Lim

Stupid question maybe - but why is there a need for aerial spraying of corexit at night over land?

  • 9 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:39 PM EDT
rls8r

Probably to disperse the sheen caused by too much suntan lotion. Do it at night because fewer people would still be in the pool.

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:22 PM EDT
nyghtshayde

why is there a need for aerial spraying of corexit at night over land?

On that I would have to go with what Dowser stated,that winds and rain could deposit the dispersants inland.That is not too big a stretch,but that would mean there is contamination they should be able to find all over the area.

  • 5 votes
#3.2 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:36 PM EDT
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Steve-2203459

Because the ruptured Macondo Well has fractured off in the ground water and in nearby pools?

    Reply#4 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:46 PM EDT
    rls8r

    In the context of keeping things real - let's not get too excited about this before we do some real 'investigative reporting'. I suggest holding off on any conclusions (or invectives aimed at the government, BP, or any other potential conspirators) until at least several of the following are done:

    The first thing to do: See if the Scheblers have used any of the many, many household products that contain 2-butoxyethanol (you can go to here and search for household items that contain 2-butoxyethanol). Household items such as Windex aerosol, many tile and grout cleaners, and latex paints (did they have any work done on their pool recently?) contain 2-butoxyethanol.

    The second thing to do: The typical analytical method for 2-butoxyethanol is gas chromatography in combination with flame ionization, electron capture or mass spectrophotmetric detection. This is the same procedure for analyzing propylene glycol, another substance found in Corexit 9527A (the type of Corexit that has 2-butoxyethanol). According to the Nalco MSDS the relative proportion of propylene glycol to 2-butoxyethanol is somewhere between 1/60th and 1/6th. If the concentration of 2-butoxyethanol was around 50 ppm, then the expected concentration of propylene glycol would be somewhere between 1 and 10 ppm if the source was Corexit - well within the detection and quantification limits of GC/FID, GC/ECD or GC/MS techniques.

    Now - the article says that an analysis was performed for 2-butoxyethanol, but anyone who is familiar with the analytical technique understands that a strip-chart record is produced that shows all the components in the sample, not just the one whose results are reported. Therefore, it would be a simple matter to ask Dr. Naman to go back to the analytical record and tell us what (if any) concentration of propylene glycol was found in the sample. He'll want to charge us for reporting an additional result - but he won't have to do the analysis again.

    The third thing to do: Take another sample, but this time from the pool itself, not from the filter. Are any cleaning materials used in the filter that would contain 2-butoxyethanol? A diatomaceous pool filter will trap and absorb chemicals on the dirt matrix, so concentrations of chemicals in the filter may not be representative of the concentrations of chemicals in the pool. If you want to get a high value for something - go to the filter. This is especially important if they use a pool filter cleaning solution that contains 2-butoxyethanol (like, for instance, this one)?).

    The fourth thing to do: Take samples from nearby swimming pools and have them analyzed. The Schebler's are one of nine houses on their side of the street that have swimming pools (and one of hundreds in the immediate area). The pool of the closest neighbor is only about 75 feet away. It seems to me that if the 2-butoxyethanol in the Schebler's pool is the result of airborne dispersion from the Gulf - then all the pools on the street (and in the neighborhood) would have quantifiable concentrations of 2-butoxyethanol.

    The fifth thing to do: Have Mr. Schebler pee in a bottle (but don't wash the bottle with Windex, Formula 409, or any other cleaner that contains 2-butoxyethanol) and have the sample analyzed for 2-butoxyacetic acid (after acid hydrolysis of the urine to break up the glutamine conjugates). 2-butoxyacetic acid is the metabolic end-product of 2-butoxyethanol when ingested by humans - it is excreted in the urine.

    To report the results as an indication of Corexit contamination without doing any of the above is simply sloppy, sensationalistic, and arguably unethical reporting. To have the chemist report 2-butoxyethanol as a 'marker for Corexit' is an embarrassment to the analytical chemistry profession.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:57 PM EDT
    Sir Richard Owen

    Excellent comment. Now, if the ochlocrats around here can accept it, and not just shout you down...

    • 4 votes
    #5.1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:23 PM EDT
    brianfromPA

    I will absolutely buy that argument. The problem is with there being several accounts. Now... are they all using these chemicals?

    I believe we should be demanding a thorough testing of the entire area. But, make sure the government and BP have nothing to do with it. Then we'll see.

    • 7 votes
    #5.2 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:06 PM EDT
    rls8r

    Another thing ... as was reported in the seeded article ...

    "Mrs. Schebler added that she was told, 'The prevailing winds from the Gulf are easterly — and when they spray, it is airborne — and that we are right in the path of those winds.'”

    Ms. Schebler was told correctly that the prevailing winds are easterly - as Florida is in the northeast trade winds. However, she either was told incorrectly (or she jumped to an incorrect conclusion) that the winds are 'from the Gulf'. Winds are named by where the wind blows from, not where they blow to. So - an easterly wind would blow from the east to the west - blowing any dispersant dropped in the Gulf further away from her - not towards her.

    In order for the Scheblers to be in the path of Corexit-borne winds, the airplanes would have to be dropping the dispersant to the east of them - further inland - perhaps somewhere around Inverness. This seems unlikely to me.

    • 2 votes
    #5.3 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:34 PM EDT
    nyghtshayde

    You are exactly right rls8r.The only thing called for here is further investigation and not jump to conclusions.

    • 8 votes
    #5.4 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:40 PM EDT
    rls8r

    Well - if they they have a homeowner's association (HOA), and if they hurry - then they can apply for a "BP Oil Spill Cooperative Assistance Grant". If they do not already have a HOA, then they can quickly form one as a not-for-profit entity.

    I've worked under these types of Technical Assistance Grants (TAGs) for some neighborhoods that have experienced hazardous waste contamination. The neighborhood can hire its own environmental consultant, have samples taken and analyzed, reports written, presentations made - and simply bill the USEPA - no strings attached.

    They'll have to hurry, though, since applications are due September 13. Who knows, though? If they raise enough stink, the USEPA may extend the deadline for them. If Ms. Schebler is wandering around in a funk trying to figure out what to do next - this seems like a good way to go. Perhaps you should contact her nyghtshayde. If she's interested - I'll help you help her. There must be a lawyer in the neighborhood who can do the paperwork.

    • 3 votes
    #5.5 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:55 PM EDT
    rls8r

    PS: Nyghtshayde - she's in the white pages of the telephone book. That, and Google Earth, is how I know how many houses have pools on her block, and where the closest one is.

    • 3 votes
    #5.6 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
    nyghtshayde

    There must be a lawyer in the neighborhood who can do the paperwork.

    I would imagine offers for "help" are crawling out from under every rock in the area.There are so many questions that need to be answered concerning this,I think we can safely leave it to others.

    • 6 votes
    #5.7 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:06 PM EDT
    rls8r

    Are you sure? Here's your big chance! Why do you think that we can 'safely leave it to others' when almost all of the comments that you get on these articles complain about misinformation campaigns and censoring - even censoring of academic reports (e.g., the recent USF report)? If you get involved, you'll be sure that it's done right and that you have all the unvarnished information.

    Give it a shot - I'll help you with the technical aspect of things if they're interested. I'll even write the proposal and the QAPP for free (although, I think we should charge the EPA if they actually want us to implement anything - especially since I'll have to fly down there). Heck, we have a pretty good start by using the things I identify in my Comment #5. On the other hand, I know of a good environmental consulting firm in Gainesville that I could hook them (and potentially you) up with.

    • 2 votes
    #5.8 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:15 PM EDT
    freebirdreaming

    so............ explain the night spraying in the first place.

    and the lesions that residents are experiencing.

    oh, and the three wells........ the night ops........ the corporate link to the obama white house.

    then, i'll ignore the fact that this stuff is being sprayed from airplanes and accept that it is coming from household cleansers.

    K?

    • 4 votes
    #5.9 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:20 PM EDT
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    storyartist

    This family is lucky they turned to the most experienced chemist in the area for testing for dispersants. I wonder how many other people with pools are still mystified about their condition?

    • 5 votes
    Reply#6 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:02 PM EDT
    rls8r

    What condition? There are no reports (at least, in this article) about neighbors experiencing the same conditions. There is one mention by Ms. Schebler about one of her friends having unspecified conditions ... a few miles away! It seems to me that if 2-butoxyethanol contamination was high enough to cause these symptoms in Mr. Schebler (and his plants) - then others in the neighborhood would have them too. Where are these stories? Why was this news to the neighbors? Why did the Scheblers contact an analytical chemist instead of a doctor?

    • 3 votes
    #6.1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:26 PM EDT
    storyartist

    This family is lucky they turned to the most experienced chemist in the area for testing for dispersants. I wonder how many other people with pools are still mystified about their condition?

    • 4 votes
    #6.2 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:31 PM EDT
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    Que2646

    Post # 5 is right on. I could not find an exposure limit for 2-butoxyethanol for someone immersed in water - as that rarely happens. It is not very volatile so it would have to be introduced into the pool from spraying or a local source. Certainly, the source should be determined and the family should be tested for blood levels.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#7 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:00 PM EDT
    Linda Luke

    Don't jump to conclusions, ha, there should be a lot of testing that will never happen. Poisoning the world should be criminal.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#8 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:39 PM EDT
    freebirdreaming

    it might get in the way of their clamoring into the forbidden city.......... the city of gold, the upper echelons, the exclusive gated communities, the private schools, the fresh vegetables market at the high end super market complex, first class seats, a mention by the junior league, a plague on the wall, doctors who diagnos, and treat, dentists who fill instead of pull, suv's, golf club memberships, husbands who drink to forget, and wives who have plastic breasts.

    go figure.

    who cares about the small people, we're expendable, htey wish we'd shut up already and just die.

    • 4 votes
    #8.1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:23 PM EDT
    euterpe-1641499

    freebirdreaming

    who cares about the small people, we're expendable, htey wish we'd shut up already and just die.

    No, you are wrong. For it is us who keep them rich. That's the truth. Only we have to realize that we are far more powerful than they are. It is us, the small people, who do not need them. Why do you think they work so hard to sway us this way and that? But we, the small people, have only one vice which they use to abuse and torment us with... our desire to be them.

    • 5 votes
    #8.2 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:31 PM EDT
    freebirdreaming

    wishful thinking............... google, 'useless eaters'........ it will lead straight to Rockefeller.

    • 3 votes
    #8.3 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:58 AM EDT
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    nyghtshayde

    I'm sure there is no truth to this either.Maybe if enough people deny there's any connection,it will be true.Some need to admit,maybe there are a few officials lying and open their eyes to the possibility there is a cover-up of the truth.

    Chemist: Oysters contain 1.25% (12,500 ppm) hydrocarbons near MS River Delta

    • 4 votes
    Reply#9 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:23 AM EDT
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