Testing Results Returning With High Levels: Wilma Subra, chemist and president of soil testing company, Louisiana Environmental Action Network (LEAN), August 30, 2010:
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East of Oyster Bayou, LA:
- Soil: 378 mg/kg Hydrocarbons and six Polynuclear Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAHs) (0.222 mg/kg)
- Oiled vegetation: 2.3% Hydrocarbons and 31 PAHs (0.554 mg/kg)
- Fiddler & Blue Crab: 2,230 mg/kg hydrocarbons
- Oysters: 8,815 mg/kg Hydrocarbons
Results of sampling performed by the Lower Mississippi River Keeper in the Mississippi River Delta on August 3, 2010
Mouth of Pass-a-Loutre:
- Sediment contained 71 mg/kg Hydrocarbons and 14 PAHs (0.8713 mg/kg)
- Muscles: 6,900 mg/kg Hydrocarbons and seven PAHs (0.386 mg/kg)
- Oysters: 12,500 mg/kg (1.25%) Hydrocarbons and two PAHs (0.063 mg/kg)
- Sandy soil: 29 to 38 PAHs (3.7259 to 3.934 mg/kg)
- Soil from vegetation behind beach: 0.4 to 1.16 % Hydrocarbons, and 20 to 40 PAHs (49 to 189 mg/kg)
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Read the article here.
Must just be more made up news,because the MSM is not reporting this.
The website, http://bostonchemicaldata.com/LEAN/ provides oil spill data and mapping resources. You can compare where EPA, universities and independent labs have sampled. An individual must download Google Earth in order to view the site's various downloads and maps.
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Some of you might find this very interesting,especially when seeing numbers like 12,500 PPM.Most of these limits are in the 5-34 PPB,that's per billion.Check me please,but is that up to 250,000 times the safe limit they found in those oysters???
Toxic Contaminants and Seafood Safety
Contaminants in seafood such as petroleum hydrocarbons, combustion products, and pesticides pose a potential threat to human health. The amount of these contaminants in seafood can vary considerably depending upon the animal's proximity to sources of these contaminants. These contaminants may accumulate in fish at levels that can cause illness. However, rarely are illnesses associated with these contaminants caused by consuming a single meal. Rather, concern for these contaminants primarily focuses on diseases (such as cancer), or human development (e.g. birth defects) associated with long term or life-long consumption of contaminated seafood.
The US FDA has set these "action limits" on contaminants:
Toxic Contaminants and Seafood Safety
Contaminants in seafood such as petroleum hydrocarbons, combustion products, and pesticides pose a potential threat to human health. The amount of these contaminants in seafood can vary considerably depending upon the animal's proximity to sources of these contaminants. These contaminants may accumulate in fish at levels that can cause illness. However, rarely are illnesses associated with these contaminants caused by consuming a single meal. Rather, concern for these contaminants primarily focuses on diseases (such as cancer), or human development (e.g. birth defects) associated with long term or life-long consumption of contaminated seafood.
The US FDA has set these "action limits" on contaminants:
One recent EPA seafood advisory recommended that health officials adopt a 6-ppm (parts per million) limit of PAHs for seafood. If this limit were adopted as the basis of shellfish bed open status, many harbors along the East Coast of the US would be closed to shellfishing, because, unlike fish, shellfish to not metabolize (break down) PAHs, and the compounds may bioaccumulate in their tissues. After the Exxon Valdez oil spill, BaP-Equivalency advisory levels for subsistence consumers (using only a ten-year exposure period) were 3 ppb BaPE for salmon, 5 ppb BaPE for finfish,11 ppb BaPE for crustaceans, and 120 ppb BaPE for bivalve mollusks. Following the Kure oil spill, the California Department of Health Services adopted advisory action levels of 34 ppb BaPE for the average shellfish consumer and 5 ppb BaPE for frequent shellfish consumption. These levels were not used to establish the opening or closing of shellfish beds.
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Nothing is wrong with your math.
One quibble point: the concentrations are expressed in ppm or ppb - that is convenient, but not technically correct. The concentrations should be reported in the original units of mg/kg or µg/L, etc. That is because there is no standard 'part' of an oyster. The unit 'ppm', in this case, means part [of the contaminant] per part [of the oyster]. We know how much a 'part' of, say, benzo(a)pyrene weighs because it has a particular chemical structure. However, there is no 'part' of an oyster. That's a quibble, but one that you should be aware of.
One matter to consider: We know nothing about how the oyster sample was collected, processed, stored, transported, or analyzed. We don't know whether the sample was a portion of the edible meat, or of some other combination of edible and inedible portions of the oyster. I've written to the LEAN folks to see if they'll give me more information. I'll let you know what they have to say.
Another matter to consider: I'm suspicious of the 12,500 mg/kg level. Why? The analytical method that is used generally detects very small amounts of PAHs. High concentrations of PAHs 'gunks up' (my technical term) the analytical columns and makes the analysts very angry since they have to unpack, clean and repack the columns (or buy new ones). Thus, for high-concentration samples you'll usually get one of two reports. The first one is a more-or-less 'guess'. They'll report the practical quantification limit (PQL) or sometimes the detection limit (DL - of which there are several, so don't get me started on this). The lab will report something like 12,500 mg/kg J. The second is where the lab does a serial dilution of the orginal sample until it is diluted to the point that they believe it will not 'gunk up' their equipment. Then, the concentration found in the sample is multiplied by a 'dilution factor' to get the estimated value in the original sample. As you can see, there is room for error in this approach.
(Note: when I edited my first attempt at a comment much of it was erased. I'll write it again, but I'm running out of editing time. Stay tuned for two fundamental flaws in your interpretation of the reported results.)
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Would their test results from the GC/FID scan be of any help to unravel their claims?
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Yes, if you're talking about the total hydrocarbon results - it would be helpful to see the way that the results were reported. My guess is it looked something like "<12,500 mg/kg JDE". What would be important is to see if there are any data flags on the results, and if so, what they are.
Read the following for more information:
- Laboratory detection and reporting limit issues related to risk assessments (a pdf file - pay particular attention to Sections 3.2 - Dilution Factors and 3.3 - Data Flags)
- Techincal Bulletin: Reporting Limits (another pdf file)
- EPA Data Qualifiers (scroll down to those for "Organics" and pay particular attention to "J", "D", and "E")
Note that some (even elevated) concentrations are reported to a precise unit amount (e.g., 378 mg/kg in soil or 8,815 mg/kg in other oysters). The 12,500 mg/kg value is a 'red flag' that suggests that the result is not a precise value for the concentration, but rather, is a 'rounded off' value due to some problem with the analysis.
You'll note in reading the seeded article that the LEAN folks do not make any 'claims'. They simply report the results of the analyses of their samples. There is no interpretation from LEAN about the implications of their results with respect to the edibility of the oysters. With the exception of the headline, that proclaims the results of the testing show 'high levels' (which is true for the total hydrocarbons), they make no claims.
The only 'claim' that is made is your implicit claim that the results show that the oysters greatly exceed the EPA/FDA advisory levels - and by implication that they are unsafe to eat. Neither of these is true.
You further 'claim' that the MSM is avoiding reporting on this topic and have claimed on another thread that some folks are simply lying about the true condition of the oysters. The MSM is reporting on this topic, and they are not lying about the conditions of the oysters, as the data from this study show.
Nyghtshayde, I'm sorry, but in this case I'm afraid that the only 'claims' that need to be 'unravelled' are yours.
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First fundamental flaw: In your calculation of the amount that the reported concentration exceeds the EPA/FDA advisory level you use the 12,500 mg/kg for total hydrocarbons and divide that by the 5 ppb (µg/kg) advisory level for total PAHs. The reported concentration of total PAHs in the snippet of the article that you copy above is actually 0.063 mg/kg (or 63 µg/kg). Thus, following your approach, the calculation should be 63/5 - showing that the lab results indicate that the exceedance is only about 12 times, not 250,000 times. But - there's a problem with this approach, too. Keep reading.
Second fundamental flaw: Note that the units of the EPA/FDA advisory level (concentration) is in "BaPE", or Benzo(a)pyrene Equivalents - not in units of ppm of total PAHs. Please read this to see how BaPEs correspond to concentrations of individual PAHs. You may also want to read this (a pdf file). Table 1 in the first report I ask you to read shows that the advisory levels for individual carcinogenic PAHs range from 0.143 to 143 ppm. The advisory levels for individual non-carcinogenic PAHs range from 133 to 2000 ppm. The concentration of total PAHs reported in the article you seeded is 0.063 ppm. Thus, the concentration of any individual PAH cannot exceed its advisory level. Therefore, the analytical results reported by LEAN support the EPA/NOAA evaluations and show that the oysters contain PAHs at concentrations well below the EPA/FDA advisory levels, and are thus safe to eat.
This result, perhaps, addresses your statement in Comment #1.1 that the MSM is not reporting this. They are, in fact, reporting this - but you won't believe it.
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Nyghtshayde -
I just did some fiddling around with some of the data that you told us about on one of your other articles. I was going to put all this over there - but I figured 'what the heck' - let's not clutter that article since what I'm going to write below has more to do with this article.
We go to http://bostonchemicaldata.com/LEAN/ and click on the "BCD Data" link to pull up a spreadsheet of analytical data. We look at Row 135 of http://bostonchemicaldata.com/LEAN/Data/DWH/LabReports/LabLEAN124to136.pdf
to find the results of the oyster sampling on 8/2/2010 reported in the LEAN article. The spreadsheet indicates that an oyster sample was designated by LEAN as L917222-11, and subsequently designated as DWH0134B by the lab, and that it was analyzed by USEPA Methods 8015 mod ext, 6010, 7471 and 8260. So far, so good.
We pull up the lab report to find:
- Of the PAHs analyzed, C4 Phenanthrenes/Anthracenes is present at 0.042 mg/kg and Phenanthrene is present at 0.021 mg/kg - this is consistent with the 0.063 mg/kg value reported in the LEAN article, but it does raise the question of 'double counting'. Is phenanthrene reported twice? Should the 'real' total concentration of PAHs really be only 0.042 mg/kg. But - there's really no big difference, so rather than get hung up on this, let's move on.
- Page 7 of 13 reports 12,500 mg/kg of "Hydrocarbons C11-C60 GC/FID Scan (mg/kg)" for L917222-11/DWH0134B 5-1 - which, again, is consistent with the value reported in the LEAN article. I note that there are no data flags.
Something nags the back of our mind, though, when we recall that the USEPA does not have a method for determining C11-C60 organics, but Canada does - and the ALS Laboratory Group (who did the analyses) is a Canadian firm. Also - the laboratory methods listed on page 12 of 13 (EPA 3580/8000-GC-FID) do not correspond with what the spreadsheet gave as as those that were used. But - we won't worry about this now either since we recall that Method 3580 is a dilution procedure, Method 6010 is a procedure for analyzing metals, Method 7471 is for mercury, and Method 8260 is GC/MS analysis of volatile organics, so they don't apply. Further, Method 8000 is a 'general' procedure that could refer us to 8015 and thus could be relevant, so, we'll move on.
We note the note on page 13 of 13 describing the PAH-ALK-ED analysis of Biota. It says, "The following PAH parameter results are determined via a semi-quantitative method. To be used for reserch purposes only." - and we see "C4 Phenanthrenes/Anthracenes" - one of the categories reported for our oyster sample - among those on the list. Oh well, moving on.
We also note on that page that all of the laboratories owned by the ALS Laboratory Group are in Canada. That really doesn't worry us too much since Canadian labs are also very good. But we make a mental note to do some more research into the methods that were used - if for no other reason than to be able to better interpret the results.
We read on page 15 (of the pdf file) that the lab analyzed our oyster sample using a Soxhlet extraction. Hummm. EPA Method 8015 is a semi-quantitative method for GRO and DRO compounds, and can be used with a Soxhlet extraction prep procedure (e.g., Method 3540). It's curious why this procedure isn't mentioned by anyone - but who cares? Let's move on.
We wade into the results, which begin on page 15 (of the pdf file), and look for things having to do with Sample L917222-11. We find:
- "Figure 25 shows a GC/MS-SIM plot for m/z 85 (L917222-10 and -11) consistent with the presence of hydrocarbons. A source plot (L911700-3) is shown for comparison. No evidence of hydrocarbon consistent with the source is evident."
- "GC/MS-SIM plots for m/z 191, 217, 218, 231 and 242, consistent with the presence of terpanes, steranes, triaromatic steranes and methyl chrysenes were generated for samples L917222-10 and L917222-11. These plots were compared to the source plots obtained for sample L911700-3. No evidence of exposure to this source was observed for these samples."
- "Figure 26 shows a source cross-plot for all the samples received. Although all the samples show ratios consistent with the presence of source oil, caution should be used in interpretation. Samples L917222-1, -9, -10, and -11 had observed PAH values below reporting limits."
What is this 'source'? There is no description of a Sample L911700-3, but it sounds like they're comparing the fingerprint of the contamination found on the oyster with the BP Oil Spill oil - and they're not seeing any similarities.
OK - we're down to the "Conclusions" now. What do they say about L917222-11?
- "For samples L917222-10 [a mussel] and -11: There is no biomarker evidence to suggest contamination with source oil although the PAH source data does support such contamination the PAH values are below reporting limits."
We clearly see some diesel oil contamination in (or on) our oyster, but the fingerprint of the contamination shows that it is not from BP oil. What gives?
So - the oyster data that got you so worked up actually shows: 1) PAH concentrations not 250,000 times the advisory levels, but in fact, they are below (about 1/2) the advisory levels, and 2) the total petroleum contamination is from diesel fuel, and not from the BP oil spill.
Interpretation of all the data and reading the fine print is a @!$%#, isn't it?
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Correction - Correction - Correction:
I mistyped when I said that the concentration of PAHs found in the oyster was about 1/2 of the advisory level. In fact, the advisory level for the non-carcinogenic Phenanthrene/Anthracene is 2000 ppm.
So - the concentration found in the oyster (let's say 0.042 ppm) is not 250,000 times the advisory level - it's actually 0.000021 times the advisory level. If you want to 'hang tough' and insist that the concentration was actually 0.063 ppm, then that concentration is 0.0000315 times the advisory level.
In any case, it looks like the oyster is OK to eat once you clean the diesel fuel of of it (or don't put any diesel fuel on it).
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Interpretation of all the data and reading the fine print is a @!$%#, isn't it?
Thanks for your efforts and explanations.I had reviewed the lab data and thought it fell within safe limits,after seeing the breakdown.However your explanation was much easier to follow.Diesel fuel is a curious ingredient to find.I'll still have to pass,when it comes to the seafood from the area,I still think there are risk,I would rather not take.
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nightshayde, 4.2 --- interpretation... There is a lot here; I'm not sure what to walk away with. lol. I'm with you, it's difficult to accept having to clean fuel from your food first before eating it.
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Thanks both of you-- I've read it twice and almost understand it... I will rely on your greater expertise than mine!
Thanks very much for the article, nyghtshade and the breakdown, rls8r!
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Seems there's more news out of the area on the oyster population.They are mostly dead,but they are safe to eat,if you can find any living.
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